Fun bonus episode this week, as we're joined by James "Murr" Muray and Brian "Q" Quinn of "Impractical Jokers. The pair discuss their upcoming tour and keeping the show fresh after 10 seasons.
Q 0:13
Yeah, more soldiers in Star Wars. Probably more stopped. Well, I used to be more sorry Star Wars and Star Trek, but um, probably more Star Trek these days for Star Trek. Yeah.
Murr 0:21
Q is on Star Trek Picard. Yeah,
Q 0:24
it was in season two Picard. Also
Brian Heater 0:26
named after a character on Star Trek. Q. Well,
Q 0:30
I like to think he's named after me. But yeah, it's funny because I get a my buddy was doing a Star Trek con. So I went, and I sat down on the table, and they made a sign that said the other cue.
Brian Heater 0:41
Oh, that's funny. So you guys didn't know each other for a long time. And I'm surprised that like that specific conversation has never come up at any point.
Q 0:49
Oh, it has we've forgotten half the things we've said to two crabs in a bucket
Unknown Speaker 0:54
of crabs in the bucket,
Brian Heater 0:56
or you just like interview marathon today, going from one place to another marathon.
Speaker 1 1:01
It's more of like a steady jog. Not a full 20 to like a
Brian Heater 1:07
5k it's more likely,
Q 1:11
like a charity 5k that nobody's really in it for like the gusto. You know, that's kind of what it is
Brian Heater 1:15
to prepare is watching some interviews with, largely with the group and I was thinking about how each time you sit down for an interview, you probably have no idea what to what to expect and far as far as like how serious the interviewer is going to take it.
Speaker 1 1:32
I am fascinated. You've said something already that we've never never thought about. Or in 14 years, GV, you sat down to prepare for, like, I've never heard that. Like, I wonder do people prepare to interview us?
Q 1:47
I don't know why blows my mind. Yeah,
Brian Heater 1:49
here's my trick after having done this a very long time is that at very least, you should listen to or watch an interview with the person so you know how like they should respond to questions. But I'm curious because like, you know, I'm sure that I'm sure that like a lot of them have like a fairly like jokey term, but every once in awhile, you'll sit down and somebody want to get like super serious probably. What
Speaker 1 2:09
did you glean from your preparations? What takeaway Did you have
Brian Heater 2:14
a seem like very genuine, and, like genuinely like it to you specifically. I was like, Oh, these guys are smart. These are these are two smart guys.
Q 2:24
You have done your research. Excellent.
Brian Heater 2:28
Right. I you know, with you specifically I got the impression that you are, are well read, but maybe have some difficulty actually expressing that. Is that a fair assessment?
Q 2:43
That's the speech impediment. I don't know why everybody's got to bring it up.
Unknown Speaker 2:48
You are the best read out of all I read a lot.
Q 2:50
I read a lot.
Unknown Speaker 2:51
Tell me what's wrong with me.
Brian Heater 2:54
That was a compliment, I think. Well, I listen like so. I watched the DOM Moraira interview. Oh, from God, like like nine years ago now and you are really you had your feet to the fire because of the use of the word Tableau. So like the two of you kind of have the opposite. Yeah, it
Unknown Speaker 3:15
was a big Tableau guy.
Q 3:16
He was dropping Tableau left and right for like six months. You know,
Speaker 1 3:19
once every five months. Dom Herrera calls me but I'm always in like, all like, I'll be in the pool. When my phone rings from Durairaj. Or I'm like, making love to my wife and the phone rings. John Carrera. He knows. I love just always been I just make a lot of love. I never get to going back. Oh, I thought it was the
Brian Heater 3:45
first question for a second. And then we'll do each question one at a time. Sure. So, first, last time, we talked to him and then last time he made love.
Speaker 1 3:56
Text him right now. It's been at least a year. He's on La time. He's not gonna. He's up at 750 in the morning.
Brian Heater 4:01
Well, he doesn't have an answer right now. We'll just call him then. No. All right. Let's keys like 75. So like old people get up early. Right? That's racist.
Speaker 1 4:14
Yeah, maybe about a year ago. Last time I saw Yeah. But a great guy made love about a year ago, same same app
Brian Heater 4:21
called that at that exact moment. So the reason why you haven't spoken. Going through a drought. But it was interesting, like specifically from that interview, because I felt like the two of you, you know, like had had the opposite problems with specifically with the word Tableau, that you were sort of going out of your way to use a I mean, you regretted it the next day, it seemed like you felt like an asshole for us having used the word Tableau in a casual conversation.
Q 4:48
It was fun, and we all we all like it's become a regular part of you. We're high on Tableau. I
Unknown Speaker 4:53
was I was so Salas. We're all high word.
Q 4:56
I remember the time you dropped Tableau on us where we all started laughing. We were in Like we're driving to CIA at the time. Yeah. And you said something about Tableau. We were like, did you just say tab? Set it? I own it. Yeah. And that was a few weeks or we're all about Tableau. But now we use it.
Speaker 1 5:12
We are we're all hot. And certainly you go through phases, right? Yeah. 1000 hot on the unmitigated gall phase. Yeah. Went
Q 5:19
through. How do we solve for this? Oh,
Speaker 1 5:21
yes. How do we solve for this? And what's the other one he uses all the time? Still, to this day?
Q 5:25
Get away from me. I don't care if you're a fan. That's it. That's it. But
Brian Heater 5:29
how do we solve for this is a little bit marketing space. It's a little bit like we'll circle back to that. Yeah,
Q 5:34
I don't know who tweeted this out. But he started saying it out of nowhere recently.
Brian Heater 5:39
Was Tableau specifically, is that part of your television background? No, we got time we will talk about this entire time, but
Speaker 1 5:50
I want to get to the question is, Tableau is a common word. It's a word that can be common in daily conversation. I use it all the time.
Q 5:57
Yeah, that doesn't mean it's common, you know,
Brian Heater 5:59
doing the job that you were doing at the time. Whether that influenced your vocabulary, because obviously you are now working on both sides of the camera.
Speaker 1 6:10
Yeah, I don't think I've ever used it in the TV development days. You don't go into a pitch meeting be like so this is a tableau. You
Q 6:17
got to dumb it down for me.
Unknown Speaker 6:18
You got to dumb it down. Yeah. We're
Brian Heater 6:20
supposed to talk about the Radio City Music Hall Show which is
Speaker 1 6:25
anything this is real. This I was told specifically
Brian Heater 6:29
that we have to talk about the radiant city were
Q 6:30
a little shaky, because we just survived an earthquake. I don't know if you heard about that. Oh, yeah. Me queens. Oh, yeah. Do you feel it?
Brian Heater 6:36
I don't know if it's because I'm from California, but everyone was texting me about us. I did not notice it at all. Yeah. You guys seem to have gotten through it pretty well.
Q 6:48
Oh, it was terrifying. Like things were falling off the walls and stuff like that. People were like tripping and stuff. It was kind of scary over here. We're in Manhattan right now.
Brian Heater 6:55
Are you being serious? Things are like literally, yeah. Yeah,
Q 6:58
it was pretty crazy. We got off the elevator and like the elevators started hitting a little bit. We got out and then people were kind of run around with their heads.
Speaker 1 7:05
Yeah, it was done dogs and cats living mass hysteria.
Brian Heater 7:11
Fueling the pink slime underneath the city. It's well, because I remember the last time because I've been I've been here for like close to 20 years at this point. I remember the last time there was like a big an upper earthquake to be notable. Like I remember exactly where I was. It's that rare in New York City, that it's triangulate that moment that it happened to you.
Q 7:30
Yeah, it's like the Kennedy assassination. Yeah. You know where? Yeah, when he was killed, we weren't born yet that
Brian Heater 7:36
we were not but my father. So you didn't know where you were, in
Unknown Speaker 7:40
a sense running alongside the motorcade. Your
Q 7:42
father claimed he was
Speaker 1 7:43
my father met JFK on Fulton Street in Manhattan when he was a servicemen. Oh, well, JFK got out of I mean, several weeks before he died, got out of his motorcade and shook servicemen's hands and shook my father's hand on Fulton Street. And my father in his late last year's life warped the story to being that he was running alongside the motorcade in Dallas.
Brian Heater 8:07
Wow. Yeah. That's a pretty common thing, that sort of conflation with the things that you went through. And like in pop culture, it seems like, it
Speaker 1 8:17
makes me wonder what are we going to conflate or what Tableau is weaker in our minds?
Q 8:25
Probably something involving making love to dama River.
Brian Heater 8:30
I'm probably shortchanging people, but a lot of times it's it's it seems like it's a result of like having maybe not have had that many experiences that people would classify as notable. So you conflate them with the things that you've seen on television. But like if the last, you know, 15 plus years of your lives have been pretty remarkable. From where I'm sitting.
Q 8:49
Yeah, I think so. We got a lot of cool stuff with each other. Yeah,
Speaker 1 8:53
a lot of cool stuff. Yeah. I wonder how we're going to warp that. You know,
Q 8:58
what if this what if you're lying in bed right now and this is all a memory a could. I
Speaker 1 9:02
arrived early this morning, we started press and I had a half hour to kill. And I fell asleep in the car and lay down flat. And I had this could be part of that dream. Maybe I am still in the car on Sixth Avenue.
Q 9:14
You got to update your dreams if this is sitting in a conference room on a podcast. Well, like my dreams have like Samantha Fox from 1988 around yeah, it would be like this, but I'd be slightly more attractive.
Speaker 1 9:29
I mean, it was pretty epic though. I just caused an earthquake. Yeah, you're gonna jersey. That's an epic dream, man. It's pretty cool. You stick with some at the fox. I'm shaking the world and I'm okay with that trade off.
Brian Heater 9:41
At this point after so many years. Do you still have surreal moments? Oh,
Q 9:46
yeah. All the time and it kinda like it's funny because I was given them was putting together a package for a charity thing and I assigning our action figures for them to auction off. And I was like crazy. It was like, Oh, wow, we've three three actions. Here's when they made their Halloween costumes out of us. Like, it was all weird stuff. If you know what it's cool, like when you first hear about it, then you kind of forget about it. Yeah. That's the way life is. This is true. Yeah,
Brian Heater 10:11
this is true. You sort of have to have those moments where you can sort of step back for a moment and realize how
Speaker 1 10:16
we do the most for me. Not to answer a question seriously, but I will. Madison Square Garden. Yeah. I took the subway from my apartment downtown, got out of the subway and Madison Square Garden said Impractical Jokers? Yeah, I literally had to show my face. The first time we stepped on stage and Radio City musical. That was big. was a huge moment. I remember standing on stage seeing the audience for the first time in the crowd. And just I mean, tears. We were
Q 10:43
all for two minutes. We've got to talk. It was cool. Like the Ryman theater in Nashville was great was big one yet. Yeah. The Greek theater. That was my favorite show. We haven't I was
Speaker 1 10:52
just talking about that last year, because Tim Robinson from I think you should leave is playing the Greek.
Q 10:56
Oh, yeah. Yes. My favorite show. We have a really great time. Me too.
Brian Heater 11:01
I mean, a radio city being a hometown venue for you. There's probably like, oh, Madison Square Garden, obviously, as well. But there's something like next level about that. Not just this huge historic place, but being in effectively your hometown. Yeah,
Q 11:15
I mean, I saw those rock cats. When I was a kid there
Speaker 1 11:18
was sort of the last time I was at before we got on stage to register at the last time I was in radio city. No, it was like 20 years ago, I went as a kid, of course, the the broadcast the whole thing. But 20 years ago, when maybe 1998 99. I snuck into a David Copperfield show at Radio City, and then hung around and you know, sculpt about and got into his meet and greet. And there's a mingling of like eight people who say, I was in college, I was a junior. So 21, I guess your junior and snuck into the meet and greet and met him in the late 90s. And now you have his number and now I have his number. He won't answer
Q 11:55
my calls. Yeah, well, that's because
Brian Heater 11:57
do you have David Copperfield number?
Q 11:59
He does. I do. And then we took his phone one time, it's not a quick calling or texting.
Speaker 1 12:06
While he tried to get me to leave him a voicemail, but he picked up the phone. Oh, that was everyone froze. We didn't realize it was cell phone number there was office number and prank calls David Copperfield, live on the radio.
Brian Heater 12:21
Are you friendly with him is are you able to explain this book? Know, he knew who you were at the time and then has cut you off since the show.
Speaker 1 12:36
I got free tickets. And they got a free Meet and Greet pass to his show in Vegas. So I have to this day never paid to see him before. Nice. Nice one was a total they were both escapes. What is it? You know?
Brian Heater 12:49
Yeah, maybe that's actually the source of the friction between the two of you? Can obviously there's something about playing like a Madison Square Garden or radius city? Do you feel like you need to sort of up it to the next level? Is there something that you need to bring to shows like that? When you're playing a venue that's that venerated or historic? You
Q 13:10
want to make sure you have a good show. Your office? Sure. Yeah. You know, it's, I mean, we kind of always do what we do. We're doing something new with this tour where we're punishing Sal on stage, live on stage and we bring up someone from the audience to to goon just spoiler, right. Yeah, might as well yeah, we put shock collars that we have Sal bear on the show sometimes. And we haven't were on stage and we bring someone up from the audience to control the buttons to shock him while he tries to tell a story about his Jaden Smith that too. So that's just brings down the house every night. Yeah, people like Wotch fell suffer.
Brian Heater 13:47
I get the sense that there's always has to be like this escalation that happens. But after this many years, like, is there a point that you get to where there's gotta be a point where you can't cross? Right?
Speaker 1 14:02
I think the show will end one day when you know, one of us just dies. Yeah. In the Impractical Jokers movie that came out about 20 minutes before COVID hit. I lose the movie and I had to fly outside of an airplane. And the only way they would insure the movie and let us film it is if we filmed the punishment on the final day. That way, if I died doing it, they will release the movie where
Brian Heater 14:28
there's just be a little like shot. If you at the beginning of the movie. That's like In Memoriam. How did you guys get through? COVID? How did that impact your shooting schedule? Ah,
Q 14:37
well, you know, we it's hard to make a hidden camera show. You know when you're not allowed to stand in near and if people so we were down for a little bit, a few months. Yeah. And then and then when we came back, you know, they had all these rules about like shooting TV shows. And all of them were like, we can't make a hidden camera show with these rules that you guys are doing. But we figured it out. We basically built a stick Do in New Jersey, remember that that college campus for you on that college campus. And we turned that we took over this college campus and turned it into different looks and invited people there. They
Speaker 1 15:12
had multiple buildings on campus and houses and things like that, and the campus was empty. So we were able to four months, we shot almost exclusively there and did focus groups and all sorts of tastes, tests and everything you want. We did a psychic experiments, you know, because they had the size lab, they had all these great set pieces, essentially. And people thought it was legit because they're going to a college campus. And it was all Impractical Jokers it was
Q 15:36
it was a weird time to shoot because we never get that experience of going to the same place for work every day.
Speaker 1 15:42
It was 25 minutes for my guns and ever. It was good because everybody
Q 15:46
Warner Brothers put out this rule that everybody that appears on one of their shows has to have been tested. And we were like, well, we can't shoot Manhattan. They have a person walking down the street. We don't know if they've been tested or not. For we create a situation where we could test them before they got into see us. It
Speaker 1 16:02
worked out well. And then we created a show during the time called dinner party and proctor Joker's dinner party. My favorite thing we ever did, yeah, me too. Me too. It was like us having dinner on Zoom together. We recorded it, recorded it and put it on TV. When we couldn't shoot jokers and we had a blast. It was so much fun. The surprises were great. Yeah. You know,
Q 16:21
we had Ed Harris on right and Harris, Daniels. Daniels we hadn't Patty Jenkins came on. Joe's Yeah, we had tons of people on. And I love that show. That was also like most purest, I would love to do it.
Unknown Speaker 16:34
I do it again. Yeah, it's something
Brian Heater 16:36
I hadn't considered. He's, like I talked to about musicians and writers a lot are the power of is the power of constraints, you know, working within a certain certain confines can actually make you more creative because you have to find creative ways through it. And it sounds like that was very similar to your experience during COVID. One
Speaker 1 16:54
of my favorite punishments in show history was because of COVID. We couldn't film in person with people what have you. So we created this a punishment idea where there was a bunch of kids in the classroom on Zoom. There were like seven, eight year old kids that thought that they were zooming into the International Space Station, and I'm talking to an astronaut. And we built the set piece in a, you know, a warehouse of a capsule to look like the space station. And I was rigged up. Let's move to the capsule, and the whole capsule rotated. The camera was fixed and the camera would rotate with me. So the kids thought I was hovering upside down. But I wasn't I was the camera rotated with me. So there was still gravity on Earth. And I'm showing them how things are done in space like eating spaghetti or drinking milk, and it's falling upward instead of just upside down on set. So much right. You're pranking
Brian Heater 17:50
children, though. I mean, that's got to be heartbreaking for them. Right. So once once they realize it
Unknown Speaker 17:57
does seem like they're probably
Q 17:58
Yeah, well, that was the worst one we did with a kid right? The worst one was the turtle eggs. Oh, my God. So they got this music Children's Museum on Staten Island. And they go just go in that room. And just do whatever we told you. So I didn't No idea was gonna get in a room. And there's all these kids in front of me. And there's all these chicken eggs. And they're going slam the chicken eggs on your head. And we told
Unknown Speaker 18:19
the kids they were like, endangered zero.
Q 18:24
Right? So I'm breaking these eggs in the kitchen? Oh, no. I have no idea what they were screaming about. It's pretty funny. At
Brian Heater 18:32
a certain point, you've been doing this for so long. You know you are fairly recognizable at this point that in and of itself must be a fairly major constraint for doing some of these things. We
Speaker 1 18:42
get around it. I don't think any of us really look famous. I think I looked like a pharmacist more than we get around. What you don't realize that taken out of context, you only see one of us at a time. We're at a context where like last week we're working at a raisin canes, the chicken restaurant in Brooklyn, right? And we got hats on where the manager polo shirt, I have different different glasses on and you're in the middle of people's real lives deep in Brooklyn. Like they just, we still get away with it to this day, because of that the very nature of the show, you
Brian Heater 19:15
know, there must be a certain percentage though that just don't make it and because you are, in fact recognize from time to time it so
Q 19:21
as much as you think we have we never we never discussed them in detail, but we have methods that weed people out before they even get to us. Yeah. You know, like you said, we knew this a long time. So we figured out a trick or two. But we understand what they are because we don't want people to be able to circumvent them.
Brian Heater 19:35
Yeah. Especially in the early days when you were still figuring out some of these tricks. Was there anything that just have you ever had to completely scrap a thing? Just because it just didn't work?
Q 19:46
Yeah. Mimes mine
Unknown Speaker 19:51
was your punishment, right? No,
Q 19:52
it wasn't a punishment. It was my idea. Oh, you guys didn't want to do it. And I pushed it through and it was a total disaster. It was Uh I still
Speaker 1 20:00
think the big could work. I agree we just we got you got screwed by the weather we
Q 20:05
so we're dressed like and we had to go up to people in Central Park by Bethesda Fountain and we had to get people to guess what we were mining and the guys were behind this holding up the sign so you had the mind real stupid stuff?
Speaker 1 20:17
Not bad bit No on paper it sounds great. We're
Q 20:21
dressing all black had to tell what berets and my make like pancake? And it was 104 degrees that in Central Park it was I've been dying
Speaker 1 20:30
within five minutes of filming the guys that night we were melting
Q 20:35
I mean there was no way to shoot and sell started complaining so much remember he was so angry we finish the bid no we gave up we just like fuck to read mops Yeah,
Brian Heater 20:46
pretty good though only one really jumps to mind after that many years of doing the show too.
Q 20:51
I think there's only two we've ever
Speaker 1 20:52
yes one other that we had a scrub Oh no there's another one a third way to scrub my punishment season one where you guys had me go to a that biker bar and ride the mechanical bull.
Q 21:03
Oh, it was just
Speaker 1 21:05
it just looked like I was having too much fun and I was it was a blast
Brian Heater 21:11
Yeah, that's something that I hadn't considered that you appearing to a joy the punishment would be enough reason to scrap it from the show.
Unknown Speaker 21:19
I was having an absolute blast.
Brian Heater 21:23
Even when you're being put in a difficult situation I it's still a pretty amazing thing that you get to do this for a living and then you've been able to do it for as long as you have.
Q 21:34
Well we had Bruce Campbell on I'm like the biggest Evil Dead fan in the world and they had me basically reenact the plot of dead to what Bruce directing me and he made it horrible like they just douse me in blood put my face in a river broke plates on my head. And it was really hard to miserable to do but at the end of the day, I was like, Oh, I love that so much. Yeah, it was my
Speaker 1 21:59
So Bruce Campbell comes on said he's gonna help us punish Q. My favorite thing he said the whole day. At the beginning of that as like Bruce, you know, we're huge fans. We grew up watching you. We'd love The Evil Dead movies. I said, you know, you hear on the set of Impractical Jokers. Did you know the show before? Have you seen the loss of it? You guys never heard of the show? I was like, you've never heard of it. He goes, No, no, I said, but you're here on it today. Why did you agree to do it? He goes, You guys paid me.
Brian Heater 22:31
Following Bruce Campbell's career, as much as I have like that applies to I think a lot of the things that he's done over the years, when
Q 22:37
the crew loved a man when he left said he rolled down the window and he looked at the director and he goes to LA to jerk. And then that night because we shot that on Staten Island, the crew came back to my house and we were all drinking beers were like 30 people in my house afterwards. And Bruce started texting me. He goes, I'm watching the show for the first time after he after he had shot it. I'm watching the hotel for the first time you guys are almost funny. He was just watching and he was like four hours and he kept texting and I kept reading his texts out to the crew are all like doing shots and stuff like that. It's so fun. He's the man. But that was a tough thing to shoot. But it was so much fun. In retrospect, it is
Brian Heater 23:15
that really rare occurrence. When you meet a famous person and they're like, exactly like you think they would be? Yeah, he's one of them. I know you get asked a lot about the jobs you had prior to doing this. You haven't been in television and you haven't been a firefighter. Was there ever a point when I know obviously at some point, all four of you had to really drop it and go all in on this. But are you still? Do you still consider Do you still have this like feeling deep down that some at some point, this might just go away and that you might have to go back to your previous life? Well, I'm
Q 23:52
too old to the environment now. Yeah, actually, I'm coming up on would have been my 20 year retirement. No, you're kidding. Yeah. No, I think we've done enough at this point that like we could probably after the show ins coast. I think lives are good. Just do cons or whatever. We got to ask to be in movies and TV shows. You know, I think once you've been around as long as we are like, there's always going to be someone else that has some stranger.
Speaker 1 24:18
We've been on TV 14 years now. Yeah, right. We started filming the show to that. May of 2010. So they're 30 Yeah. Right. And, and it's always been year by year. Yeah, never even in TV. You never have any job security. It's not like, Oh, I'm a company, man. I've been there, you know, 18 years. Nothing like that. It's every year is the same kind of stress. Have we been on TV next year or next year? You know, I mean, it's year by year by year. Yeah. So I don't know. It's kept his I guess on our toes kept us
Q 24:50
on our toes. Yeah, it's I think once they guaranteed two seasons. Yeah, it's
Brian Heater 24:55
wild to be the most popular show on a station and still feel like your year. A year. Yeah,
Q 25:00
it's the you know, we could depress your audience. It's a rough business.
Speaker 1 25:07
Yeah, no, but I mean, gosh, we have the rear in my mother always said you don't know your golden years into your past them. Yeah. And, and I think about that all the time. We have been in our golden years for the past, you know, decade plus. Yeah. But we don't
Q 25:24
know what's gonna come next.
Unknown Speaker 25:25
That's true of the I know, in eight days. Yeah, he
Q 25:27
insists that an asteroid is gonna hit Earth and eight days,
Unknown Speaker 25:30
I've been tracking gift years. I just haven't
Brian Heater 25:31
told anyone. Did you predict the earthquake as well? Um,
Speaker 1 25:34
it could be connected. I'll let you know. We'll we'll see. But you'll find out and you will see when When? When I was gonna say I've got to get the show up pretty quick. Now we'll get it up. And the next thing day.
Q 25:45
On next on is the solar eclipse that it's
Speaker 1 25:49
not coincidence, my friend. Yeah. The solar eclipse is going to affect the gravitational pull on the asteroid is coming through our solar system as we speak is going to skew it slightly ever said so hits the keyhole. He holding it and he talks
Q 26:02
like this all the time since he was 13 years old.
Brian Heater 26:07
Oh, he's been predicting that. All right, it makes me feel slightly better
Speaker 1 26:13
that you've been when the bloods calm is gonna be a wonderful tablet.
Brian Heater 26:20
Talking about being year to year and talking about the difficulty of the television business. I'm curious how you've signed a contract for a new channel how that changes the math for what you do? Nothing?
Q 26:33
Not at all.
Speaker 1 26:36
We start airing on TV. Yeah, we know we I mean, it's
Q 26:39
the sister network. We they always were always related to them. So it's just yeah,
Speaker 1 26:45
and we had a show on TBS exclusively for three seasons called misery index. So it's just family. Yeah, you know, same same. Different circles, same clouds were the clouds Yeah.