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[00:00:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, Scott is at the dentist right now and having, I think he's getting the caps put on today
[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_04]: but it's serious.
[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_04]: It's real and it's serious but I'm sure you would love to be here but he's under anesthesia
[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I had a similar situation a year ago where I put it off for too long and then they find that one thing
[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_02]: and then all the sudden they're just taking around to the end right?
[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, like he's just like oh, oh no.
[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_04]: But thank God, we have a dentist and also we're able to pay for it for the most part so
[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's not a certainly not in what either of you do for living is that any kind of given?
[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah. No, we're very, very, very, very lucky.
[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's look like it lucky ducks.
[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Who's insurance are you under?
[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_04]: We're under well because I'm in a union, we're under that one which is awesome.
[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that sag?
[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_04]: sag and because it's but it is sad thing, it is based on how much you earn.
[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_04]: So that is I'm sure that's problematic in some social justice way.
[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_04]: So but I'm grateful.
[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_04]: That's for sure as anybody is.
[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_02]: You feel bad because you're earning a certain amount?
[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's like everybody deserves death healthcare.
[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_04]: So so it shouldn't matter, shouldn't be based on whether you're part-time play or full-time or
[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_04]: either things. I think that's not doesn't seem good for, but for all in general, for
[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_04]: just in terms of like if you want the world to be a pleasant place,
[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_04]: there's just one everybody be done. Okay, but yeah, I don't know what to do about the world.
[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I was having a similar conversation with somebody the other day, specifically,
[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I write about technology as my main job. I work at a site called TechRedge and I talk to a lot of
[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: venture capitalists. Yes. And you try to have these conversations about, hey, you know, maybe
[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: everybody should be able to add bare minimum of making art and it just doesn't penetrate for a lot
[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_04]: of people I think. Or yeah, or that everyone's yeah, I don't know because I'm a small business owner.
[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I have a S-Corp and you know, I pay my employees. Well, I have a bunch of 1099 employees and
[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, they think the least I pay someone which is our personal comes with our housekeeper.
[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I pay her $90 an hour and I think, you know, like if I can pay, you don't say it like,
[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_04]: what's the deal with people like McDonald's? Why I can't they pay more than,
[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_04]: like I don't understand that part of business where it's like, but if, like this say,
[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_04]: oh no, we can't possibly afford, I don't know, I understand it for food service that the margins
[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_04]: are really low. But I don't understand business very well. So I'll just keep that to myself.
[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the margins are really low because a lot of people are making a lot more money than
[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_02]: probably should in other places. Right. In the company? It's probably the credit.
[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_04]: When did you become a small business owner? Uh, 20, let me see. Well, I think I, yeah,
[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I got incorporated. I think around 2000 or 2000 so, so this 24 years ago or something.
[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_04]: So that was like relatively early on for you. Mm-hmm. Uh, yeah and I could be totally wrong about that.
[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Probably clear on the numbers. So it could be 2004. Okay, but ballpark will say maybe around 20.
[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just one, the 20 years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How did you, how did you end up, I mean, obviously,
[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_02]: that's a pretty savvy decision as far as doing what you do for a living? Well, you go to the library
[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_04]: and you get personal finance for dummies. And then you get how to start a small business in
[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_04]: California by no low press, which is non-profit, uh, press that does business education,
[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_04]: literature. And you just take a whack at it. So 2004, I mean, you had already, though,
[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_04]: you had already been doing stand up for some time then. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And I,
[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah, I mean, I don't think any life is not fair. I don't know why. I've been able to do well.
[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, I don't think it's a result of any sort of personal strengths. I think it's just, uh,
[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_02]: whim, arbitrary whim. I think we're complex beings and we can hold two ideas in our head at once.
[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And I, and I think that you can all understand that there's a lot of luck that goes into
[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_02]: a broadest stuff in timing. But you surely at this point in your life, you must feel that there's
[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_04]: something about you. There's some skill there. Well, and there's odds, you know, the one or
[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_04]: you stay, it's something. I mean, it is we were just talking about McDonald's. It's like McDonald's.
[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, you just go, I still know where they are. In my neighborhood, there would be an
[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Lincoln. I don't, I've never been. But I know exactly what they are. I, where they are,
[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I know what exactly what's on, uh, I think they're current menu. Are they, are they make,
[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_04]: do they make fries in the chicken fries? Where it's just chicken that looks like fries?
[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_04]: It might have been burger king. That's margarquete, Burger King. Sorry. Okay. Maybe I don't know
[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_02]: everything. Sure. Maybe I don't know everything. But you're like that familiar restaurant at the
[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_04]: corner that people know. Yeah, you just go, well, well, in a very, very obscure comedy way.
[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, yeah. Yeah. I was just in a waiting room to promote, uh, remote shows, whatever. And
[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_04]: uh, on a show and that. Yeah, I think people are surprised when they go, oh, I don't know who you
[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_04]: are and you're making a living. And um, that that is exactly what I'm doing that there's,
[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_04]: have plenty of work and yet I'm not known by, by I would say majority of people.
[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I would say most of the people who work are known by most people. So,
[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_02]: right. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Obviously, obviously what you do is different, but you also seem to be
[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_04]: like constantly working on different things. Yes. That and I'd love to, yeah, that's the thing
[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_04]: that I admire and other are, is just to keep going. Is to keep going and keep making stuff.
[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Whether or not anyone cares. Um, but I do think that that does has made me a happier person
[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_04]: or um, yeah. I think it's just given my life some some shape and meaning and structure. So,
[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_04]: uh, yeah, that's like, uh, like making new things. It gets complicated though. This is something
[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_02]: that I struggle with myself is, is how much, how much of the meaning that I find in life should
[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_04]: derive from the thing that I do for a living? I will then, yeah, you got to have hobbies. Right.
[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_04]: You got to have friendships. I believe the nearer times that you have to have five close friends
[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_04]: in order to not die by the ages. That seems like a, anyways. Uh, but I, yeah, yes,
[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_04]: that is the rub because I think, yeah, I've definitely been, uh, you know, thought, oh,
[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_04]: my value is attached to what I do. So I definitely still have problems with that. So, um,
[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm trying, I'm trying to have other ways to think of myself as valuable. Sometimes
[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I've been sitting on my front bench and chip chatting with people and thinking, what if I'm,
[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I just become really good at chip chat, at bluster and going on? So you're launching a podcast.
[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's like a podcast but no one's being recorded and hopefully I, uh,
[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_04]: has to plug something. How much of what? Oh, hold on. I've just had a job, your option. Oh,
[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_04]: oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh my husband has come home and he's not well.
[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_04]: But uh, okay, uh, should we pick this up later? Um, I think we're okay. Hold on a second. Hold on.
[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. Okay. Sorry about that. Yeah. Is he okay? Yes, yeah. He's okay. He's just a, uh, I think,
[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_02]: nom. Sure. You could tell just by sight that something was not right with him.
[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. Yeah. Well, so um, but uh, yes. So yeah,
[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_04]: should we check what it, what do you enjoy doing or what do you have hobbies? I recently,
[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_02]: that's totally, I'm a really terrible musician. Okay. That's great. Really bag guitar player,
[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_02]: but I, and this is such like, I just did this with this is such a pandemic thing. I bought a
[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_02]: ukulele. Great. I'm finding that it's, it's, it's scratching this part of my brain that I just
[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_04]: haven't access it a long time. I'm so glad that you're experiencing it. Um, yeah,
[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_04]: isn't that fun? I think I'm going to start taking, there's this art class place where you
[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_04]: take classes. It was in a different part of town though. Um, and it was just an art class with kids
[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_04]: and adults. I know, so delightful. So I think I'm going to do that this summer. Um,
[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_04]: is uh, takes more classes and enjoy myself. Um, yeah. Painting specifically?
[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't know. You don't know. What was the, the last class you took was at largely painting?
[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, most of the I did pastels. I like the immediacy of a pastel and that my hands get all covered in
[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_04]: chalk. There's lots of kids there so you can, it's what is called the Wizard of Art so you can
[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_04]: describe a plastic figurine and then start just start sketching, man. Start sketching. It's uh,
[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_04]: it's nice because we just, there's not um, precious off, precious off. See I feel like
[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I would be very excited about that at first because of how like clearly better I am than the children
[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: and then there would be one, one little last whole kid who is better than me and then that would
[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_04]: just completely root my confidence in my ability to do it. Oh, but the best stuff is this stuff that's
[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_04]: kind of a train raccoer. You're like, wow. I mean, I like it that I've tried over and over again.
[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I did a, a trip to, no, not a trip to, I didn't my mother as the Mary Magnoi with holding two
[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_04]: pugs and it's got far too much. It's got layers of glitter that I poured on at some point
[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_04]: and you know, a muddiness that I now understand is not good technique but you know,
[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_04]: so I'm finally going to meet, I think about my mother. Why Mary Magnoi?
[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Because my mother is uh, she was the whole reality, uh, she was good person.
[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I was reading an interview that the two of you did around this book and you know there's a funny little
[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_02]: aside about, um, Scott doing stand up and you and I find it very relatable at that moment where
[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_02]: you're like, oh God, whiff. But if he's better at this thing that I've, I devoted my entire life
[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_02]: life to, to doing and I wonder, now you're getting into painting. Do you feel like there might be a little
[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_04]: competition? Oh no, and he knew that but I taken some pinycurses so far, but no, I hope not.
[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think so. But yeah, that was clear. And it looks so sad about that human
[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_04]: like fear of it's like, what is he wants? Well, she was fantastic. Like wouldn't that be a great thing?
[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it would just be bizarre and wonderful. So um, yeah, I don't know, yeah,
[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think he hasn't mentioned that. He seems to be plumped toward a brand-new
[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_02]: something. In spite of that, because like I certainly have a lot of anxiety and self doubt around things,
[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_02]: but are you able to at least sort of look at what you've been able to do over the years and like
[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_04]: feel like you've accomplished something? Oh God, yes, yes, I'm very, yes, I haven't, all my dreams
[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_04]: come true. Oh my, I mean, everything I've ever more, more, more, more than I ever thought was possible.
[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And then at the same time, I know that I have the fantasy that accomplishment
[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_04]: is you piece of mind or some or help your mental health. I think is an illusion
[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_04]: that I don't totally bought into where I thought, oh, if I focus on this accomplishment, then I'll
[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_04]: feel a feel better. And that although there's a little bit of that and it's hard to
[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_04]: start to tell that to somebody. I remember when somebody would tell me, you know, who had money
[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_04]: said, oh, well, when you have money, it doesn't make some difference. You know, food and shelter,
[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_04]: that's awesome, healthcare. But you're still going to be yourself. So you're going to be worried
[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_04]: about something. And I remember just thinking about them just like you or a monster and you don't
[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_04]: know what you're talking about. So apologies to all that things, I think the sounds monstrous, but
[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah, I'm still the same person. So even though I, I'm very proud of myself,
[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_04]: very amazed, grateful, delighted at the same time I still have issues and that's okay. Like,
[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's something I could turn my brain around to go like, you should feel good all the time,
[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, you should be happy and ecstatic. But we're not supposed to, right, as humans.
[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, when some people are, some people genuinely are very like high,
[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah, just I have a dear friend who's just always at a very good level, like, and she's a
[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_04]: light to be around. She is so fun to be around and, and yeah, and it's okay, you know,
[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_04]: for whatever reason that's not my, that's not my strong suit, but, but I am a comfort to be around
[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_02]: if you feel bad because me too. You don't feel like you could you cause people to spiral with
[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_04]: your own issues. I don't think so, but well, and you'd have to talk to, for example, my husband or
[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_04]: my friends, because I'm sure they would have a different point of view. Yeah, so I think that is
[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_04]: exhausting if you're close to somebody who has any sort of health problem, mental or physical,
[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_04]: otherwise it's exhausting. It's like, you're still with the thing. So yeah, it's tiresome.
[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_04]: But everybody's tiresome in their own special way. Personally, I think it's overstate,
[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_02]: but this notion of, you know, of making art. People talk about this a lot with, like,
[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_02]: songwriters, about being like a form of therapy. Is that something that you buy into?
[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, to work something out through writing about it or creating a
[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_04]: body that I think, yeah, that's free. Number one, it's free and, and it's the effect of a support group
[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_04]: where you then you express that share with people and people who respond and you can totally know
[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_04]: you're not well. Yeah, so yeah, totally I think it is genuinely, oh, I love an open mic.
[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Open mic that is a very healing space. Some people don't like them. Like they find the
[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess that's what they're awkward. They're awkward. They're like, they can't do this.
[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_04]: You can't have a good one. I don't know. Yeah, I really enjoy them just because it is so
[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_04]: democratic and everybody goes up and there's not any, there's no barrier to being in it beyond
[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_02]: somebody putting your name on the bucket. Interesting. You bring up open mic specifically. Are you
[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_02]: do you feel like you're going up and doing these sorts of things and kind of,
[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah, and you're unloading? Yeah, I go out, there's an open mic in my neighborhood. I try to go on
[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_04]: every Monday and there's some, because I'm old. I have a feeling, I've realized they put me up
[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_04]: even though I put my name in the bucket. I think they put me up earlier knowing that I'm
[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_04]: you got to get to better. Yeah, yeah, it's so I'm a little bit worried about that that they're
[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_04]: giving me special treatment. I know they're giving me special treatment. So that's
[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_04]: that's different from most open rights where you've got to stay. You got to stay until
[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_02]: me. You're also as we establish the beauty conversation, a famous comedian. Well,
[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_04]: also isn't that isn't that the reason I should stay to the end? Right? And then I get everything
[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_04]: so easy to me like a little a frabricier egg on a, surely that's perfectly why there, it can all be
[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_02]: just based. They're surely they're prioritizing you for that reason. Well, it's very,
[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_04]: anyways, it's, it's lovely and I love, uh, yeah, I do, I'm doing a show tonight that's more of
[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_04]: a book to show, but I like the democracy of an open mic where, but all the, even though
[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not getting democracy because I am getting put up earlier. So let me just say,
[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_04]: huh, interesting. I have benefited from my own prestige and I better, you know what? I think
[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to make a commit to the next open mic I do. I'm going up last. I'm closing the show.
[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_04]: You could go first and last. Oh my, my, my, my idea. I did host an open mic in my neighbor.
[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I want to say like four times but it was so, because it's last and just open mics are so long
[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_04]: like 70 people, 70 people will, but we'll sign up. And it became overwhelming
[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_04]: and also looking about Los Angeles which is that people will say the one of switch their
[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_04]: place so they'll go, um, a number 17 but I got this spot at the hogshead winery over West Hollywood
[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_04]: at 745. So can I go up third and switch with Brian who's with uh, C.Wa and C.Wa is going to go up
[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_03]: but you know like, we're in a weird open mic and no one's here. What's going on? You can go on
[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_04]: the bathroom like there anyways it just makes me laugh just the the, um, the machinations of all
[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_02]: including myself. It's just now occurring to me you know we were talking about Scott doing stand up
[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_02]: and it's occurring to me that he decided to do stand up when you weren't present. Yes, yes, which I
[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_04]: think was a fantastic idea because I for sure, I think that would be ugly little anxious about
[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_04]: drawing in front of him I think just because just because you're so conscious you know and he just
[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_04]: wanted to see what it was like and he totally did and and did it in a number of times and he's great
[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_04]: he's really funny. He's very and has a really um, I mean as everyone does but because he's my
[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_04]: unique way of thinking once memorized a whole basketball sports column and then recited that allowed
[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_04]: as as is act for about three minutes it was so fucking funny and uh yeah just a banal
[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_04]: basketball game described on stage. Yeah, a little bit of anti comedy perhaps.
[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh oh really, it was really good. So um yeah, he's wonderful. This is this is such a key part of
[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_02]: the book that we're extensively here to talk about that the do of you did together is I
[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_02]: finding the difficulties of finding that person in your life with that sort of compatible
[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_04]: weirdness. Yes, yeah and also somebody who's down like that's the one thing like Scott and I think they're both
[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_04]: old and up for I don't know whatever the miracle was of like both of us being at the place
[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_04]: the same place and the same time to go let's do this like we are both willing to put in the effort
[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_04]: um because I just had never done that before with anyone or I also yeah I kind of ascribed to the
[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_04]: whole thing of like oh there yeah I'd fallen in love many times before but often based on
[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_04]: fantasy where it's like I didn't really know who the person was or um yeah so this the great thing
[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_04]: that I really fell in love with that we had in common was that Scott was like I think we can make this work.
[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh you know let's go to therapy let's go to a weird couple's weekend let's do all the
[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_04]: things and and that said I don't want to have the hubours of saying oh we know what we're doing
[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_04]: and we figured it all out because that that is not true at all in any way at all but
[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_04]: that that has been really special to me to find somebody who uh yeah had as was as interested in
[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_04]: in um in making a creative beautiful life together as as I was. You talked to something interesting
[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_02]: there and this is in the book as well and I don't know if I've ever heard anybody really contextualize
[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_02]: it in this way that there there's almost this just pragmatic decision of like all right starting now
[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_04]: we're gonna do what we can to make this thing work. Mm-hmm yeah because I think uh and I don't
[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_04]: know just because I hadn't had any success the other way which is the way my parents did
[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_04]: were just sort of like oh you just know you know this is your person and I was like oh and I've always
[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_04]: been a very frightened anxious person like I don't know that I'm the bright person like I'm always on
[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_04]: the fence about me like yeah what was it red flag factory yeah yeah like how the heck am I gonna
[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_04]: think that someone else is gonna be safe or um yeah and and anyone who I had had a number of people
[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_04]: whatever um you know I fell in love with or whatever who rejected me because I didn't seem safe
[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_04]: you know because of mental health issues etc and um so yeah and that was a wonderful
[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_04]: that Scott was just like yeah my mom was mentally ill that's okay no big deal you know oh
[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_04]: drive you to the psych or if you need it um and I've had some rough time with depression even recently
[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_04]: because I'm just going through menopause which can cause your mood to dip and he's like do you
[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_04]: need to go? Do you know like what do you need to do? Do you need to go uh you know it takes a little
[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_04]: thumb and power down for a while um and that yeah and that just the knowledge that a huge thing
[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_04]: that has been problematic in my life is okay um and I don't know what he would say but maybe
[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_04]: he has something where it's like you just feel like oh this thing that's been a problem for so
[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_04]: many people is not a problem at all there are other things that are problematic sure
[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_02]: this isn't the this isn't the top of the list of the things that are problems right now
[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah I think a big part of it and this is something that I went through during the pandemic
[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I could probably a lot of other people did was like really hitting that wall where I like I finally
[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_02]: after dragging my feet did therapy and got my um my OCD diagnosis of you know it sounds like so much
[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_02]: of your adult life has been this journey of like figuring out exactly what's going on with you
[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_02]: and that's a big part I think of being able to connect with somebody is once you have like a
[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_02]: better idea of what it is that's going on then you could know yeah yeah I mean and
[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean it's nice to have a name for it but then and it's like and then it's just the day to day like
[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah you just gotta keep going you just gotta keep going because like oh I have a name for it
[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_04]: well what do I do where a hat says that sure you have an effort but also you know with your partner
[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_02]: you know you can be like hey here's here's some things that you should probably know and then we can
[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_04]: get through this together yeah yeah and that it's not um yeah but it's definitely not personal like
[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_04]: because I know you know I get super irritable I get you know problem sleeping I
[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_04]: then I'll get whipped up and get like a real great idea um I was getting very excited with the
[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_04]: friend coming I was like but they did put it up you know having a whole lot of um what was my
[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I yeah I was just like trying to say hi to every single person I met it's got like wow all right
[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_04]: like hi how are you hi how are you hi how are you which great idea in theory um but you know
[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_04]: exactly not exhausting yeah so yeah it's like somebody who uh yeah and there are other things I
[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_04]: mean I think everybody is odd in their own special way even if their oddness is that they are odd at all
[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_04]: like that I think is so strange that's one of the most suspicious people for sure
[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_04]: we have a neighbor who is so normal like she is just like what do we tell her we told her
[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_04]: something yesterday that we had we had a dog of dog park party at our house but we had 17 dogs over
[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_04]: the house and there are so many dogs you know it was really wonderful all these dogs you
[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_04]: dogs of course peed in the corner and then one dog was drinking from the toilet it was kind of
[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_04]: like a big it was like a drunk party but no one was like a frat frat dog frat dog frat dog frat
[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_04]: our neighbor just looks so horrified and then and she'll often say things like I know this is weird
[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_04]: and then she'll say something that is so like you put chocolate chips in it that's the end of the
[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_04]: story like like just like this it doesn't it doesn't seem um that odd um so
[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_04]: but maybe that is her oddness is that she is so normal to me you know it's kind of
[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_02]: off putting to hear that she was freaked out by the idea of a lot of dogs
[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah oh here he is oh my gosh it's a spiritual viewing Mr Scott marble capacity
[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_03]: he's here he's he's had a little bit of um he's here he's had some work done
[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_03]: he's had some work done I just had the two hours of dental work just had two hours of dental work
[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_02]: two hours of dental work I was telling Maria at the beginning of the conversation that I've never had
[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_02]: somebody who so didn't want to talk to me that they scheduled two root connections search
[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_01]: it's time to talk I did not want to go yeah I did not want to go
[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I mean you look okay you sound alright it's all numb they just put temporary crowns in
[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_01]: so I can eat mush for the next two weeks yeah but it's still good
[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_04]: well when talking about the book I look laser eyes
[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_01]: well we wrote it in 20
[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_03]: mm-hmm that's it that's all I'm getting at you that's it
[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_02]: this we're not only fans no no no I know I meant the book story not
[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_04]: oh the book story oh yeah yes yeah sorry no that's that Scott has
[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah I was I was so easy for me say but I can say it again how much I appreciated that you really
[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_04]: accepted my mental health issues and that it was okay that I was who I was
[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_04]: and can grow a beard if you were and I can grow a beard if I went sometimes and that you know
[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_04]: that that might be an ongoing thing it wasn't like oh you got on the right meds and
[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_04]: it isn't ongoing it is I know I was just telling them I said you know I wasn't feeling good
[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_04]: and said hey do you need to go to the hospital and not yet but who knows but I got issues
[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah Scott Scott issues I didn't want to speak on your behalf but Scott's got his own
[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_02]: that my suburb obelisk in the sea how were the last four years I mean in terms of just
[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_02]: kind of coping with everything what's with the last why last week pandemic because we were talking
[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_02]: about the importance of like a chit chat earlier and obviously you know that kind of limits your
[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_02]: ability to be social and interact with other people well I would just tell my dentist that
[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_01]: because you would talk about me being a painter and I I feel shame saying this but I really enjoyed
[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_01]: it not having to go out and being able to work and not having any appointments or any
[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_02]: social activities Scott I talked to so many cartoonists and I've heard that dozens of times
[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't don't think about that I good oh that's right yeah that's all that's where is yeah
[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't mind it either like I love doing zoom shows everyday I was like but um
[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I want to have a bigger scrowd on it's a bigger scrowd on a zoom show but uh also my mom was
[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_04]: in the process of dying at that time and I got to be with her the whole time um kind of as a
[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_04]: and so that was a real fantastic gift because I had it had it not my mom was even like my mom
[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_04]: was very much uh she liked a shiny object so if ever I had the chance to work she'd be like honey
[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_04]: oh work oh my god you're gonna meet Meredith Vera like
[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_04]: and so I know she had no excuse she had to be around me for her last six months of her life
[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_02]: that's another thing I get to a lot specifically from um touring musicians with kids that
[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_02]: they just you know you've got to go out there and you've got to do your job and that does what it
[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_02]: does to you know your social and personal life and this was finally opportunity you know you were
[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_04]: forced you were you're in a sense of voice to be with your family yeah yeah that was good and
[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_04]: um yeah I don't yeah but I of course you know I think sometimes these more social
[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_04]: so sometimes I'm more social but I do I do love people I love having people around and like we
[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_04]: go to the dog park with a coffee shop with a gym when I can force myself to go to the gym I
[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I definitely need people uh um yeah that is wonderful face-to-face communication
[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I think a big part of me figuring myself out over the last you know several years has been
[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_02]: figuring out what it means to be introverted and kind of reconciling the fact that I can you know
[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Dr. Stranger's on a podcast or go on a stage but if I'm at a party where there's not 14 dogs and just a lot of
[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_02]: people standing around I'm gonna be the guy and the corner of the entire time that's something that like I can never really
[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_04]: you know figure out about myself until fairly recently yeah no I yeah I like parties where I'm
[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_04]: the host I'm okay being the host because then you know everybody well yeah and you also you have
[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_04]: to do because then it's like you go oh I can let me help you or let me put this over here or let me
[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_04]: wander into a corner of my house where I know no one will be um well oh and then books sold out
[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_04]: it sold out and they just restarted it yesterday um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um
[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah just be related being on fan of graphics is an absolute dream to come true it's insane
[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_01]: because I just I've been publishing my own comics since I was 20 you know just zero oxies you know
[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe 10 people would say it and then um we also are in a two recent mad magazines
[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah yeah we did um uh or Scott did we we we did a spread from mad magazine um and the premise of it
[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_04]: was sting clines through our history that often um fart lines were removed from famous words
[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_01]: famous pieces of art like um sorrows uh in the park or um you know uh this thing this thing
[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_01]: had of giant stone so the ask us for 10 ideas and this think lines was one of the lesser good
[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_01]: lesser ones and that's the only one I was like dow what were your top ones what was rejected
[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember because we were just so shocked uh I think there are more air you diet and
[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_04]: and there are more air you diet than famous farting paintings but the stick was the workout
[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_04]: because like the then we talked about how um at the end just how art can stink because it's
[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_04]: not representative of the inclusive of all people who are doing art and um yeah so it was awesome
[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_02]: but then something was upset I just wanted to be funny oh yeah I have IBS I've hidden disability
[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_02]: and I feel like I have not necessarily been represented through art in history so I appreciate that
[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_04]: representation awesome nice all my friends I have a friend who has an idea as I feel yeah it's
[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_04]: rough every time I attacked her she's always like I think I'm just gonna start eating great jello
[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_04]: that's all I want just great jello I don't think that's gonna be good for your intestines
[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_04]: no I know I know but it's like I think after a certain point you just kind of
[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_04]: give up like in terms of anyways she just been through a lot she's been through a lot
[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to find that relatable sky of uh not eating solid foods
[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_01]: oh right now especially yeah I've been eating apple sauce I just had rice and some kind of gravy
[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah but actually I'm losing weight so I'm kind of psyched
[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_02]: you're deeply great by the way thanks it's a back teeth that are in bad yeah it always is a back
[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_02]: bad yeah I grind my teeth so the rabbit is in the background oh big please I a little cave
[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_04]: just got a little castle that's awesome yeah what's your name it's Juniper
[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Juniper well do you want to see me I do
[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah yeah I can he's not doing a lot but yeah he's not doing a lot but he's handsome
[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_04]: he's handsome as all get out
